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I agree with GSP and others here. The technique used on that Kimura attempt was horrible. I was screaming at the TV for him to yank it up and rotate it, could of finished the fight there easily.

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Gotta say great event, Anyone think GSP kinda reminds me of hughes now no slams but just nullifies the fight.

Hardy did well we gotta remind everybody this was GSP, the guy thats taken down BJ, Hughes, Serra these are all skilled fighters so its a bit hard to call hardy for getting taken down.

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Great hook by Palhares. It was over before I even blinked. He should have let go a little earlier though.

Wallace looked massive and did well in the take downs but it was not smart to do this. He should have stayed on his feet as he hit Hamman enough times to go for the KO, but instead he went for a take down after. Maybe to save some energy but wrong game plan imo.

Matt brown looked poor. Definitely not the best match of the evening although Ricardo finished him off in a spectacular way.

Nate Diaz showed character, speed and did very well. Like they say when he gets punched once he returns 4 punches.

Jim Miller had a tough night. Could have gone either way but I was happy to see him win.

Fitch dominated and did what he had to do. Make sure he hardly gets punched and just neutralize his opponent by taking it to the floor and slowly punch his way to victory. Maybe not as entertaining but very effective.

Pellegrino looked sharp and what a nice way to end the match. Great choke and great fight.

Carwin was awesome like usual. He is so massive but in control of his arms. Mir's body looked ok but he did not impress me at all. I think Carwin deserves the actual belt and I think he will take it away from Brock by another knock out.

GSP did what he had to do. Take down Hardy and out skill him there. But I have to say that Hardy showed real heart and did what he could. Not tapping out surprised me totally. But we have to be honest, GSP is just too fast and skilled for probably all fighters in his weight class. He can do stand up, defence and ground work and not many can beat him even on one of those skills. However there is always a surprise possible.

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Great event all round. 4.5 out of 5.

A shame about the Palhares/Drwal fight being over so quickly after a slip, but the sub tenchnique was excellent (even if it was held too long).

Diaz looked good at WW. A complete clone of his brother's fighting style now.

The Wallace/Hamman fight was excellent. So entertaining. Granted, Wallace needs to drop some muscle, or keep it standing as Foxy says - he could have won that fight in the first round with the damage he was doing to Hamman's head at times.

Miller/Bocek was another great battle that was (somewhat) suprisingly close. Good fun to watch.

Fitch/Saunders was everthing we all expected. It ain't pretty, but it is effective and it works for Fitch and so you can't blame him. I do wish he'd put more into his punches from time to time, though, and at least look more damaging/trying to finish. You never know, he might finish that way, too. Based on the press conference, I don't think he's going to be next in line like he hopes. Kos/Daley I think will get it for sure.

Loved the Carwin/Mir fight. It was exactly as I'd thought it would go. And take away the time spent circling each other at the start and then almost 15 seconds of unneccesary punishment Mir took at the end, and that fight time suddenly got a lot shorter still. Carwin is one scarily powerful dude... ;-)

The main event lived up to everything the vast majority of people were expecting. GSP was awesome and Hardy was very impressive in defeat. I'm with subvertbeats on these issues: GSP is in no way diminished by fighting his stengths against his opponent's weakness - that's up to the opponent to fix, not GSP.

The only downpoint for me was that the amount of booing at times during the event was really poor - to the extent that refs were calling for action when guys were working on the floor, and Miragliotta even kept separating guys working while standing against the cage. What is up with that?! Let the guys fight!

Also, you can't rely on the ref stopping the fight on their own judgement for submissions where the guy isn't tapping. He's not tapping for a reason: either cos he can handle the pain (and damn the injury), or because the technique isn't properly applied. In both cases the fighter could end up escaping the hold, so why are we rewarding the opponent for a sub attempt that hasn't worked? Yes, the kimura GSP had in this particular fight, he did appear to let go because he was amazed/confused Hardy hadn't tapped and he knew that something was going wrong with the hold or he was just wasting energy, but if Hardy doesn't want to tap then the ref shouldn't award GSP the win prematurely. Would imagine every fight stopped like that would see an immediate appeal by the loser.

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There is no difference in a referee stopping a fight because a guy refuses to tap to an armbar as opposed to a ref stopping a fight while somebody is trying to prevent getting KO'd. How many times do you see guys who are getting punched over and over and over again but don't want to quit? Hell, your Frank Mir example proves MY point. You wanted that fight stopped 15 seconds earlier, but Mirgoliatta waited for Frank to go completely limp.

A ref stops a fight because a fighter is not making an intelligent decision to quit. PERIOD.

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You're acting as if there's a huge difference between mentally and physically not being able to make the right decision for your own health? I go back to the Razak Al-Hassan case. Look what happened to him because he was too prideful to make the right decision. If GSP had broken Hardy's arm, you'd all be saying the same thing.

Just because you are conscious doesn't mean you can make the right decisions. Tim Sylvia would have kept fighting Frank Mir even after having his arm broken. Are you saying that Herb Dean was wrong for stopping that fight even though the champion at the time fully intended on continuing?

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