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 Post subject: Who do you all think is the true Pound for Pound best fighter in the UFC today?
PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 2:55 am 
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UFC has it listed as:

POUND-FOR-POUND TOP RANK
1 Daniel "dumbass" Cormier (Obviously, I think DC is fucking idiot. They shouldn't even hand this man a mic to be an announcer during UFC fights. Half the time he's looking at his phone during the fights and fakes when great shots are thrown. Look at the last UFC for example. Re-watch it, I can't remember which fight it is, but they have the camera on the announcers right after a huge knockout, and he's looking at his phone and the other announcers react, he looks up and fake reacts and looks around to make sure no one saw him looking down like a dumbass. Fake af. Also, how you gonna call yourself the GOAT when Jon Jones knocked your ass out cold with a kick to the head and you need medical attention to get back up. And you wouldn't take a fight with Gus and moved up to Heavyweight as soon as they cleared Jon Jones. Bitch Move.)
2 Jon Jones (My true #1 Pound for Pound best Fighter in the UFC)
3 Khabib Nurmagomedov
4 Henry Cejudo
5 Max Holloway
6 Amanda Nunes
7 Kamaru Usman
8 Dustin Poirier
9 Conor McGregor
10 Robert Whittaker
11 Stipe Miocic
12 Tony Ferguson
13 Tyron Woodley
14 Rose Namajunas
15 Cris Cyborg
The rest of the list is pretty accurate, but I would move around a few spots. I would move Dustin Poirier into 5 and Max down to 8 after their fight. As that was very one sided and decisive victory. Do not get me wrong, Max came on in the 4th while Dustin tried to take a break, but then Dustin came right back when he figured out Max wasn't going to give him a break and still won all 5 rounds.

Also, I think Thiago Santos should be in this top 15 soon... very soon. He is a dominate force to be reckoned with, and I feel he will be Light Heavyweight Champion one day, if not very soon. Does he have what it takes to take down Jon Jones? Ehhh, will see. But, if honestly anyone could do it, I could see him doing it. He has the stand up and the ground game to do it.

Let me know what you all think? Apologies if you are DC fans. I am not trying to start a bickering war, nor do I want to get into one, nor will I engage with you over DC. If you try to defend DC as #1 and come at me, I will simply ignore. But, if you like DC and think he deserves that #1 spot, absolutely let me know why you feel he does. Just do not come at me. I am voicing my opinion and everyone has a right to their own. Much love and respect! I look forward to what everyone has to say. Cheers!


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 11:45 am 
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DC gave us the iconic Thug Rose moment, he gets a pass. Commentary gang is better with him, he's a net positive in the end.
My P4P Top 5:
1. Jon Jones
2. Khabib NORMOGABOBV-DAGOLF
3. Bobby Knuckles
4. Amanda NOoOnZ
5. Tony Ferguson

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I like your list. But, I still think DC is horrible when it comes to commentating. Bisping was much better last night, and I truly love when they have him on. Much classier and keeps the flow of the talking going. One comment does not give you a pass in my book. But that is your opinion and you are very much entitled to it. Thank you for actually replying and I like that you took the time to have fun with your list and their names. Very original. ;)


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People bash Jon Jones because of the drugs but in my opinion we would be better without USADA lol. How did TJ managed to be undetected while using EPO for so many years? Cody and all team alpha male claimed he always used it, and Cody even mentioned it in a post a year before TJ got caught. It's just ridiculous, like Nate said, everyone is on steroids lol.

Jon Jones and Cejudo are my top 2, DJ would be in the top 3 if he had stayed with all he achieved. Those 2 are the only fighters that have beaten the #1 fighter in the division above. Sure, it wasn't in that division but how much of a change can it be really? Holloway was so dominant at 145 but couldn't beat the #3 fighter in 155. This makes me think that as dominant as Khabib is at 155, there is no guarantee that he would do well against Usman and the top 170. Hell, he has only beaten Iaquinta and RDA as far as high level fighters when you think about it. Usman is unproven too, a few wins against Maia, RDA and Woodley and dominating so is top 5 with khabib and Holloway but needs something more to reach JJ and Cejudo.

The rest, meh. Whittaker lost to Romero in my opinion, so not a very dominant champion there and Adesanya enters the ufc, then the rankings and got the belt in just 1 year? Can you see somebody doing that at 155 or 170? 185 is very thin. Cormier ducked the rematch with Stipe, wanted Lewis because is an easy fight. Wants Lesnar (for another easy defense) while ignoring the fact that Ngannou almost put his best friend in a coma with a ford escort to the chin and he could avenge him. As great of a fighter as he is, he is looking like a paper champ right now. Already 40 also. I get why he is ranked #1 by the UFC, he is a "double champ" but he was never cosidered the #1 at 205 by the people if we are being fair here.

Women, well who are these girls Nunez is facing anyway? Raquel Pennington? Please. Rose has PTSD from the dolly that Conor threw and haven't defended in a year. Valentina is fighting a girl that lost 5 times in a row at 135 and since then have won 3 close split decisions in 125. She is fighting her because there is nobody else there. I wouldn't even rank them in the top 15 to be honest. There are just not enough good fighters in women division to even compare them to males.

I would kick Conor from the Top 15 also. His only win on 155 was against a guy that some russian (with a record of 5-3 in One) just beat in one round. His last fight on 145 was in 2015. Went to life and death with Nate Diaz who has only beaten Michael Johnson in the LAST 5 YEARS. He is just a media hypejob right now to attract casuals, that's all. He is good but hasn't done anything in the last 3 years.

tldr:
Tier S: Jones, Cejudo (And DJ if he was still on UFC)
Tier A: Khabib, Usman, Holloway
Tier B: Whittaker, Poirier, Ferguson, Romero, Cormier
Tier C: Moraes, Miocic, Adesanya, Woodley, Ngannou, Benavidez, Edgar, Colby
Tier D: Nunez, Valentina, Rose, Cyborg and other top contenders from the male divisions


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You seem to be much more in tune with reality then 99% of professional MMA journalists that only quote each other all the time and are afraid of saying something original.

This was the most interesting reading (all above posts) about anything MMA related I have read in a long time. You are all spot on in your observations. Great analysis's and interesting opinions guys!

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People bash Jon Jones because of the drugs but in my opinion we would be better without USADA lol. How did TJ managed to be undetected while using EPO for so many years? Cody and all team alpha male claimed he always used it, and Cody even mentioned it in a post a year before TJ got caught. It's just ridiculous, like Nate said, everyone is on steroids lol.

Didn't Schaub say USADA just implemented a new EPO detection tests and that's how they caught TJ. It's probably not easy to catch these guys who are using fast-acting and fast-leaving PEDs. And USADA gets to test them, what 4-5 times a year.

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The rest, meh. Whittaker lost to Romero in my opinion, so not a very dominant champion there and Adesanya enters the ufc, then the rankings and got the belt in just 1 year? Can you see somebody doing that at 155 or 170? 185 is very thin. Cormier ducked the rematch with Stipe, wanted Lewis because is an easy fight. Wants Lesnar (for another easy defense) while ignoring the fact that Ngannou almost put his best friend in a coma with a ford escort to the chin and he could avenge him. As great of a fighter as he is, he is looking like a paper champ right now. Already 40 also. I get why he is ranked #1 by the UFC, he is a "double champ" but he was never cosidered the #1 at 205 by the people if we are being fair here.

Ah the fucking disrespect towards Whittaker, man, the fucking disrespect. First of all give ALL the credit to Yoel, he MELTS people and beat all of his best contemporaries Jacare, Weidman, Rockhold, Tim Kennedy. Not to mention he's the most athletic fighter on the entire roster and beat Cael Sanderson couple of times, who dominated and beat DC like 6 times in pure wrestling. Medaled in every wrestling competition he's ever participated in too. How does Whiattaker beat him? Oh you know, the first time he hurt his knee in the first round and basically fought with one leg, still beat him. And second time he breaks his one arm in the first or second, gets almost vaporized by Yoel in the third, recovers and lands a flush shin to the dome of Yoel who somehow survives and both of them manage to last each other out. So 2nd time he beats Yoel with one arm. They fought so hard that neither of them has been able to fight since.

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Women, well who are these girls Nunez is facing anyway? Raquel Pennington? Please. Rose has PTSD from the dolly that Conor threw and haven't defended in a year. Valentina is fighting a girl that lost 5 times in a row at 135 and since then have won 3 close split decisions in 125. She is fighting her because there is nobody else there. I wouldn't even rank them in the top 15 to be honest. There are just not enough good fighters in women division to even compare them to males.

She melted two universally accepted female GOATs in Ronda and Cyborg in less than minute each, beat Valentina twice for what it's worth, who's clearly the best fighter south of BW. She has black belt in Jui-jutsu, she's strong, she legitimately hurts girls with her power. She's from a big camp and gets coached by world class coaches who also coached othed other elite male fighters. She's as good as it gets right now, in women's divisions. I'm not saying her actuall skillset even compares to outside of men's top 20 in BW division, but it's hard to argue against what she has accomplished and HOW she's done everything.

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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 1:04 am 
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Greghouse wrote:
People bash Jon Jones because of the drugs but in my opinion we would be better without USADA lol. How did TJ managed to be undetected while using EPO for so many years? Cody and all team alpha male claimed he always used it, and Cody even mentioned it in a post a year before TJ got caught. It's just ridiculous, like Nate said, everyone is on steroids lol.

Didn't Schaub say USADA just implemented a new EPO detection tests and that's how they caught TJ. It's probably not easy to catch these guys who are using fast-acting and fast-leaving PEDs. And USADA gets to test them, what 4-5 times a year.

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The rest, meh. Whittaker lost to Romero in my opinion, so not a very dominant champion there and Adesanya enters the ufc, then the rankings and got the belt in just 1 year? Can you see somebody doing that at 155 or 170? 185 is very thin. Cormier ducked the rematch with Stipe, wanted Lewis because is an easy fight. Wants Lesnar (for another easy defense) while ignoring the fact that Ngannou almost put his best friend in a coma with a ford escort to the chin and he could avenge him. As great of a fighter as he is, he is looking like a paper champ right now. Already 40 also. I get why he is ranked #1 by the UFC, he is a "double champ" but he was never cosidered the #1 at 205 by the people if we are being fair here.

Ah the fucking disrespect towards Whittaker, man, the fucking disrespect. First of all give ALL the credit to Yoel, he MELTS people and beat all of his best contemporaries Jacare, Weidman, Rockhold, Tim Kennedy. Not to mention he's the most athletic fighter on the entire roster and beat Cael Sanderson couple of times, who dominated and beat DC like 6 times in pure wrestling. Medaled in every wrestling competition he's ever participated in too. How does Whiattaker beat him? Oh you know, the first time he hurt his knee in the first round and basically fought with one leg, still beat him. And second time he breaks his one arm in the first or second, gets almost vaporized by Yoel in the third, recovers and lands a flush shin to the dome of Yoel who somehow survives and both of them manage to last each other out. So 2nd time he beats Yoel with one arm. They fought so hard that neither of them has been able to fight since.

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Women, well who are these girls Nunez is facing anyway? Raquel Pennington? Please. Rose has PTSD from the dolly that Conor threw and haven't defended in a year. Valentina is fighting a girl that lost 5 times in a row at 135 and since then have won 3 close split decisions in 125. She is fighting her because there is nobody else there. I wouldn't even rank them in the top 15 to be honest. There are just not enough good fighters in women division to even compare them to males.

She melted two universally accepted female GOATs in Ronda and Cyborg in less than minute each, beat Valentina twice for what it's worth, who's clearly the best fighter south of BW. She has black belt in Jui-jutsu, she's strong, she legitimately hurts girls with her power. She's from a big camp and gets coached by world class coaches who also coached othed other elite male fighters. She's as good as it gets right now, in women's divisions. I'm not saying her actuall skillset even compares to outside of men's top 20 in BW division, but it's hard to argue against what she has accomplished and HOW she's done everything.

I don't know much about USADA to be honest. All I know is that they started as a good idea to clean the sport and right now all they do is get in the way of good fights. It's annoying and frustrating at this point and I wish they would go away and let the comissions test them like before. Even if that means the sport will not be as clean.

Yeah, fair enough. I guess I could bump Whittaker to tier A but I feel like he should be on the same tier as Romero and would bump him too. Romero won the second fight in my opinion and has arguably a much more impressive record. But on second thought, I don't think Khabib winning streak is more impressive than Dustin. He beat Alvarez, Gaethje and Holloway on his last 3 fights, he should also be bumped along with Fergusson that has an equally as impressive record as Khabib at least. I would just merge Tier B and Tier A to be honest. They all derserve to be top 10 and is hard to tell who should be higher, all I think is that Cejudo/Jones should be Top 2 among them.

On Nunez, yeah you are right. It's not her fault WMMA is so bad. She fights now a girl that is 1-4 in championship fights but it's not really her fault. I don't see what else she could do now to be more impressive but I do think that she lost her second fight to Valentina, so not as dominant as the guys IMO. I guess I could bump her to Tier C with the interim champions and top contenders to get into the top15/top20.


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Uchiha95 wrote:
DC gave us the iconic Thug Rose moment, he gets a pass. Commentary gang is better with him, he's a net positive in the end.
My P4P Top 5:
1. Jon Jones
2. Khabib NORMOGABOBV-DAGOLF
3. Bobby Knuckles
4. Amanda NOoOnZ
5. Tony Ferguson


That Thug Rose moment was very overrated.


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Jon Jones and it isn't even close in my opinion.


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Greghouse wrote:
People bash Jon Jones because of the drugs but in my opinion we would be better without USADA lol. How did TJ managed to be undetected while using EPO for so many years? Cody and all team alpha male claimed he always used it, and Cody even mentioned it in a post a year before TJ got caught. It's just ridiculous, like Nate said, everyone is on steroids lol.

Didn't Schaub say USADA just implemented a new EPO detection tests and that's how they caught TJ. It's probably not easy to catch these guys who are using fast-acting and fast-leaving PEDs. And USADA gets to test them, what 4-5 times a year.

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The rest, meh. Whittaker lost to Romero in my opinion, so not a very dominant champion there and Adesanya enters the ufc, then the rankings and got the belt in just 1 year? Can you see somebody doing that at 155 or 170? 185 is very thin. Cormier ducked the rematch with Stipe, wanted Lewis because is an easy fight. Wants Lesnar (for another easy defense) while ignoring the fact that Ngannou almost put his best friend in a coma with a ford escort to the chin and he could avenge him. As great of a fighter as he is, he is looking like a paper champ right now. Already 40 also. I get why he is ranked #1 by the UFC, he is a "double champ" but he was never cosidered the #1 at 205 by the people if we are being fair here.

Ah the fucking disrespect towards Whittaker, man, the fucking disrespect. First of all give ALL the credit to Yoel, he MELTS people and beat all of his best contemporaries Jacare, Weidman, Rockhold, Tim Kennedy. Not to mention he's the most athletic fighter on the entire roster and beat Cael Sanderson couple of times, who dominated and beat DC like 6 times in pure wrestling. Medaled in every wrestling competition he's ever participated in too. How does Whiattaker beat him? Oh you know, the first time he hurt his knee in the first round and basically fought with one leg, still beat him. And second time he breaks his one arm in the first or second, gets almost vaporized by Yoel in the third, recovers and lands a flush shin to the dome of Yoel who somehow survives and both of them manage to last each other out. So 2nd time he beats Yoel with one arm. They fought so hard that neither of them has been able to fight since.

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Women, well who are these girls Nunez is facing anyway? Raquel Pennington? Please. Rose has PTSD from the dolly that Conor threw and haven't defended in a year. Valentina is fighting a girl that lost 5 times in a row at 135 and since then have won 3 close split decisions in 125. She is fighting her because there is nobody else there. I wouldn't even rank them in the top 15 to be honest. There are just not enough good fighters in women division to even compare them to males.

She melted two universally accepted female GOATs in Ronda and Cyborg in less than minute each, beat Valentina twice for what it's worth, who's clearly the best fighter south of BW. She has black belt in Jui-jutsu, she's strong, she legitimately hurts girls with her power. She's from a big camp and gets coached by world class coaches who also coached othed other elite male fighters. She's as good as it gets right now, in women's divisions. I'm not saying her actuall skillset even compares to outside of men's top 20 in BW division, but it's hard to argue against what she has accomplished and HOW she's done everything.



Amanda is great but Ronda was obviously done already and Amanda lost the second Valentina fight in my eyes.


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